Astral Burn Static

[Ayrea]

In the interest of keeping things fair to the pullers (and others who have to sit out), I think we should implement some form of point system for this, to keep everything transparent and open when it comes to deciding leech/smn slots.

My thoughts are this:

• Pullers and holders do almost all of the work, so they should get points
  
• Leeches contribute nothing but get xp, so they should pay points
  
• Summoners contribute to the kills, but they also get xp. I think they should pay points, but not as much as leeches.
  
• Although syncs get XP, it's not on a job they care about (more or less). I see this as a "for the greater good" sort of role, so they should get points, but not as much as pullers/holders.
  

So this is what I propose. I'm a fan of zero-sum systems, and I think it would work pretty well in this case. Remember that a negative point total is not necessarily a bad thing, it just means you should bring some syncs or help pull.

• Summoner slots cost 1 point each run.
  
• Leech slots cost 2 points each run.
  
• All points taken from summoner/leeches are summed up, and distributed among all of the pullers and the level sync, at a ratio of 2 shares:1 share among pullers and the sync.
  

As a hypothetical example, let's say we have a smn pt of:
Ikonic(SMN),
Kaid(SMN),
Lightwarrior(SMN),
Aurtren(Leech),
Zaeon(Leech),
Yanxia(Sync)

As well as:
Ayrea(Holding),
Crunch(Pulling),
Jglluamesh(Pulling)

Ikonic, Kaid, and Lightwarrior lose 1 point, Aurtren and Zaeon lose 2 points. This gives us 7 points to distribute, so Yanxia gets 1, Ayrea, Crunch and Jglluamesh get 2. So after that run, we have a point list of:
Crunch: 2
Jglluamesh: 2
Yanxia: 1
Ayrea:0
Ikonic: -1
Kaid: -1
Lightwarrior: -1
Zaeon: -2

Therefore, on the next run, first dibs on leech spots go to Crunch/Jglluamesh, and first dibs on smn spots go to Yanxia and Ayrea.

Let me know what you think.

[Ikonic]

For the most part this sounds good. I would propose -1 for SMNs, 0 for sync, -2 for leechers. SMNs are semi leeches since they do gain xp (and once 75, merits), but they also are the ones doing all the actual killing for xp. The sync has to do absolutely nothing but be in the zone. If the sync is a mule and the person has no intention of lvling it I can see a different point value possibly, but many times people will end up lvling jobs on a main if nothing else to have available for a subjob.

I do agree that the holder/pullers should get some bonus incentive.

You say the points would be totaled and split amongst holders/pullers. If we have 1 holder and 2 pullers they'd get more points than if we had 1 holder and 4 pullers.

Would points be a running total with highest points getting in the run? Say we have 4 potential SMNs with 0, 2, 3, 7 points. The ones with 2, 3, 7 would get in if all 4 show for the same run (assuming we go with only 3 SMNs for the pt)?

[Ayrea]

Yes, this would be a running total. The idea is to have some sort of numerical estimate of what everyone has contributed/received, so that the same 2-3 people don't get stuck pulling every single time. This should also encourage those without /rdm to get it levelled quickly, so they can start rotating out for pulls.

Sync could be 0 points, but I'd like to see some sort of reward associated with it. Right now we're at the stage where people are levelling jobs up from 1 to fill sync spots, but we're going to hit a point pretty soon where it'll be necessary to delevel jobs down to 14-15 in order to fill a sync role. I'd like to hear what everyone elses opinions on sync points are though.

As for the split instead of static points, this serves 2 purposes:
1 - it keeps it zero-sum so that if people leave / new members come in, they don't have to spend weeks pulling before they get a chance to get some xp
2 - Should proportionally reward pulls relative to the time/difficulty of the pull. With 3 pullers and a holder, we can finish up in 20-25 minutes. With 1 puller and 1 holder, it takes nearly an hour.

[titain]

I would be interested in this, I have a smn lvl 31 currently and also a 75pld and 75rdm. sadly however I have no jobs under lvl 20 for a sync...:( also have a 20+ cor that could 2 hour for a chance at a reset.

[Lightwarrior]

I'm for whatever as long as it's easy to follow. I already feel relatively guilty for not being able to pull. It's a shame it's /RDM dependant, I'd have pulled a lot sooner if it wasn't. No matter, that will be remedied soon.

My short term goals would be to get SMN to 50 so I can go ahead with the AF quests and RDM to 40.. (I just like having my subjobs at 40). Once I get RDM to 33+ I'll sit out a week or two to allow others in.

[Kaid]

Hey all,
Ayrea i think that sounds great, so that everyone takes turn in all aspects of the burn, as for the sync, my opinion is the sync should get a point, i see how some could use it for lv'ing sub jobs but that would only last for so long anyway, as for myself, since i have only 1 job i could sync, i'm leveling my two mules in bastok to be able to help in that aspect, and to keep the burn going.
Kaid

[JG!]

I also think that syncs should get pt. there is a reason that jobs arent lvled yet.... Syncs get lvls on jobs they prob never inteded on lvling... And it takes a bit of work lvling a job to 13 or dlvling a job... prob as much or more work as it takes to pull for a run....

[Ayrea]

Edited the first post with days we're running, and who is expected to show up for each day. Let me know if I have anything incorrect.

I'm going to be using aureus.dyndns.org/eqdkp/ to track the point totals, so feel free to check up on current standings.

[Ikonic]

What happens if you fill 2 spots (like holder and leech)? Do you get points for both (positive or negative)?

[Ayrea]

Feb 1, 2010 17:25:00 GMT -6 Ikonic said:

What happens if you fill 2 spots (like holder and leech)? Do you get points for both (positive or negative)?

Yes.

[Ayrea]

Feb 1, 2010 17:25:00 GMT -6 Ikonic said:

What happens if you fill 2 spots (like holder and leech)? Do you get points for both (positive or negative)?

Yes

[Ayrea]

Tweaked point system a bit. People leeching will now lose points even if they also pull.

[Crumb]

I took a tutoring job on monday nights which is gonna make it pretty much impossible for me to make any of monday runs atleast for the next few weeks.

[Ayrea]

We will not be doing anything this coming monday (3/22/2010) due to the extremely long maintenance. Tuesday should be on schedule though.

[Crumb]

going to dinner at some point for my wife's birthday, so i'd assume i'll miss tonight.