Taking WAR to the limit.

[Angellos]

Warrior is a great class if you know how to use it. Dont just provoke as soon as possible in fights only provoke when the hate gets taken from you and the other tanks. Berserk is your best friend when your not tanking but can be a burden to the whm's when you are, Defender is the opposite of berserk good for tanking. Not only are wars a decent tank but they also get good dmg dealing abilities if there using the right kind of weapon. if you want full dmg dealing as a war use a Great axe and invest in DEX based items, also use berserk and warcry (if you have it) alot. WARs have good def from traits but also get a bonus to attack with a trait at lvl 30. Also for war monk is a good all around sub job because you get extra hit points and some alright attack. War is an expensive class but i like it and ive decided to stick with it rather then go with drg/sam. Cmon.....if i was in a lvl 35+ party i would want a war in it just because of warcry.

[Valhallodin]

It should be noted that Warcry pulls massive amounts of hate. Also if you are the primary tank, Provoke every 30 seconds. Enmity stacks, so you might as well use Provoke as much as possible. That way, the mob is less likely to head for your mages. Your job as the main tank is to make it never go toward your mages. The secondary tank is there to pull it off when it does. Also, if you are tanking, using a one-handed weapon and a shield.

[Ikonic]

As a WAR you should provoke every 30 seconds if you are the tank. As a tank the hate should almost never leave you. If you have a backup tank (and most pt's have one) then you don't need to worry about grabbing the hate when it leaves you, but if you're good and the rest of the pt isn't trying to take hate away (chaincasting, melee doing too much dmg--yes, there is such a thing) then you shouldn't have to worry.

As a tank also look into defensive gear and VIT gear. The more the mob misses you or the less dmg it does to you the more hate you will gather.

[Angellos]

ok so ya keeping the hate is always a good thing but when you use your provoke every 30 seconds that means that if the blm or whm does pull the hate off you because of a really powerful spell then you usually wont have a provoke to pull it back, some partys will not have back up tanks so i try to get in the habit of saving my vokes to regrab the hate, if i can hold the hate while the blm is nuking and the whm is curing with just a weapon then there should be no need to waste a perfectly good voke.

[Ikonic]

if you are a good tank (and the casters don't chain cast) it shouldn't ever go for them. btw, if the mob goes for someone else you aren't HOLDING the hate.

[Valhallodin]

Saving your voke to try to keep it off the mages is nice, but then it also makes it more likely to go for them. Any party that is set up w/ only one person with Provoke is usually not a good party setup. In a good party, the hate will always stay on the tank, if the mages know what they are doing.

[Shashomarou]

Only thing i dont like bout voking every 30 sec when i lvl my war is that if im the only person with voke and i need to cast utsu. other than that u should always use ur voke as often as possible (i you are the tank)

[Judan]

Thats a rough one Shash. I found, if you get the timing right, you get hit when Utsusemi is about 15 sec. in casting and before the next hit you get the spell off, most of the time.

[Shashomarou]

yea but when ur in the crawlers nest most of the mobs have a double attack or they have avary fast single attack but other than that ur are right

[Leesc]

Blink tanking is awesome. But it is hard to recast Utsusemi when there is only 1 voker or the mage(s) doesn't enfeeble the mob. Every time if I am the only voker, I need to keep being hit until the rng or mages pulled the hate, then I can squeeze that short moment to burn shihei. (It is poor in terms of hate holding >.<)

During Lv31-32, I partied with 2 thf/nin, war/nin(me) & a whm in 2nd Jungle in Kazham. 3 of us (melee) kept burning shihei and using SATA to control hate. We just kept chaining exp without down time. (yeah!) The only down time was the whm accidentally casted BANISH to a liz nearby. (silly taru >.<)

[Slayerz]

as for the voking thing,

saving ure voke to regrab hate is a good idea, for lower lvls, but at higher lvls, if a blm mage uses a "powerful spell", a voke aint going to do shit, unless u stack alot of hate on ureself, by voking every 30 secs. im a higher lvl pld with alot of hate holding abilities, but i voke every 30s, i keep the other hateholding abilities (like sentinel or shield bash) incase of hate loss. a warrior can use boost (as a mnk sub), utsusemi (as a nin sub) or warcry for emergency hate control. but if ure voking every 30 seconds, and ure nuker uses a lil bit of brain power, holding hate as a war only really needs voke.

[Ikonic]

Speaking as a WAR/MNK who tanked all the way to lvl 40 I can honestly say that keeping your voke for when you lose hate is a bad idea. Same way with using Boost to regain hate. To hold hate I had to boost every 15 seconds (2x in between each voke) and voke every 30 seconds. I even had to put on Berserk at times to do extra spikes of dmg.

[Shashomarou]

I no this is a old thread butt I am going to putt this down any way I think WAR is a great job it is one of the best DD's in the game. I think WAR might even be a better DD than DRK and thats saying a lot since I am a 70 DRK lol. I have just gotten WAR to 46 a few days ago and let me tell you lol aggresor is great. For those of you who dont no what aggresor does here it is, aggresor lowers evas and enhances acc. when I use it with dual axes I hardly ever miss lol, and I hit IT mobs for 50-80dmg per hit and Double Attack kicks in a lot. I hit somethings 3 times in a row. So if I hit the mob for 53, 64 and 59 that all = 176 dmg and most jobs like DRK hit it for about 80-115 that is a big difference lol. You dont have to take my word for it lol I think wil is the highest lvl WAR lol he was lvl 55 last I saw. (He has Rampage!!!) so ask him how it is for tanking 50+ , but I hate tanking as WAR because when I tank I have to put up defender which lowers attack and enhances defence. I like the all DD rought cuz berserk helps a lot with dual axes lol. Any way about tanking war is a ok tank. You can time utsu right (with haste of course) to where ur not getting hit to much. I just dont like waithing for utsu recast because waiting 25 sec to recast for 3 shadows sucks. Most mobs have double and even triple attack!!! What I like the most about WAR is that you get +30 acc at lvl 48 lol. Thats a lot of acc, but you also lose 20 evas thats when tanking turns to shit because you get hit to much. Dont get me wrong WAR can tank a hit and they have good hp but they are not a PLD. War becomes a vary good DD 55+ "Rampage". Most the time when you see WAR's Rampage and there doing sh!t dmg is mostly because they dont have the right gear. When a War uses Rampage he needs to have as much acc and STR as possible because those 2 things make a big of difference. Ill give you a ex. I am a 70 DRK with no str gear or acc gear sep for viking axes which is +20 acc I do around 400 dmg. and when I put on all my xp gear I have +66acc and+17 str and I do a 700-1000 Rampage. Big difference lol, and I could get about 20 more str+ gear but that would be little bit more gil than I would want to spend lol. Any ways back to WAR lol. When war hits 60 they become awsome DD because they get Raging Rush (which is practicly the same thing as Guilitine) a vary powerful WS. But what makes Raging Rush better than most lvl 60 WS it does a lot of base dmg and it stacks with SATA. Which Guilitine does not. When I was in a xp pt at lvl 64 in Den of Rancor there was a WAR in my pt. We decided to see who could do the most dmg on a lizzerd there. So I buff up (Last Resort, Soul Eater, SATA) and use Guilitine and I do 1294 dmg. I smile and was like haha beat that cuz that is a lot of Dmg to an IT mob. And he say that might be easyer said than done. I was like yay ima win lol and he buffs (berserk, aggresor, warcry, SATA) and uses aging Rush. HE DID 1788 DMG TO AN IT LIZZY. I was like HOLY SH!T. That is just a little info I would like to give to all of you who read the forum. To show you how much power a War really has. Hope every one likes what I typed and please forgive my spelling errors.

[Slayerz]

wow that would be cool, and the fighters AF looks cool too, but im not really the blood thirsty type like you but that is very interesting...

[Wiliam]

Hey Shash, Thanks for the advice. Yes i love being a DD. I really love it when the 3 attack or 4 attack hit kicks in. Sometimes the 3 attack kicks in almost on every hit which is TOTALY AWESOME!! But i havnt really done any tanking cause i dont have any VIT or DEF gear so i suck at tank. I just dont have the room in my inventory or MH to hold any more gear. But when i use to tank bac before i got NIN sub. i subed MNK and i did what Ik was saying Boost Boost Voke i could keep hate better then a PLD who was in the same party with me. But that was bac at around lvl 45ish. And NO i dont have "Raging Rush" only 189 but working on it.