HANMLS:: I need your Item/Event requests!

[Ikonic]

I need requests for HANMLS events. I generally try to set up events 3 days or so before the month begins. If you have any suggestions as to what you'd like to do please get them in at least a week before the month starts. I'm especially looking at what the top 10 people (as far as points go) want to do/get so that they may get more items.

Some Options:
Uggy Pendant
Kirin
Gration
KS99
Shen
Byakko
Genbu
Seiryu
Suzaku
Divine Might
JoFaith
Ix'aern (MNK, DRG, DRK)
JoFortitude
Beastmen Raids
ZNMs

[Fnord]

I say Kirin and Byakko.
everyone wants Wlegs and Nbody and the haste pants. We got more pops then we know what to do with. (at least it seems that way with the kirin pops)

I know I have been waiting on Wlegs to drop since Crumb let Kaolas lot the only Wlegs to ever drop to this shell back in like 2006 lmao. That may sound jaded and like an angry taru is posting, but its not. Im just stating the facts. I also know I'm not the only one with the intention of getting these pants. And lets face it, how many things would/could go smoother for us if a certien pld actually got these.

It seems like we barely do sky anymore, and it also seems like everyone wants stuff from sky, but then cant make it to the one or two times we are actually up there. Thats just my thoughts on it anyway, not sure how "factual" they are. Just thats how it "seems" to me.

[Ikonic]

I've been limiting sky god fights to about 1 a month because it seems people don't want anything anymore. Lately almost every drop goes uncontested or unwanted. Plus, we can't really do fights if we don't have pop sets and no one seems to want to spend any time farming pops unless I schedule a farming run.

I know people want Kirin and Byakko drops, but it all comes down to pop sets and having enough people in attendance to actually kill them.

[Mnementh]

I've been limiting sky god fights to about 1 a month because it seems people don't want anything anymore. Lately almost every drop goes uncontested or unwanted. Plus, we can't really do fights if we don't have pop sets and no one seems to want to spend any time farming pops unless I schedule a farming run.

I know people want Kirin and Byakko drops, but it all comes down to pop sets and having enough people in attendance to actually kill them.

Drops go uncontested because many people probably either don't know someone already has an item, or we are fighting gods and wasting time getting pops for gods that drop things we don't want.

I know it is all nice and peachy to go up in sky and not farm diorites for hours, but many shells schedule farming runs to get the pops they want. We also don't need to be aimlessly running around getting pops for gods nobody wants things from if you say nobody wants things from them.

If people want drops from Byakko and Kirin, lets sell triggers for the easier gods and start buying byakko pops. When we exhaust our supply of kirin pops, we could do the same thing by buying kirin popsets.

If this is the current state of the issue, we need to focus our energy in sky, and stop fighting gods that people don't really want drops for. Let people request the gods if they want the items. I would really have zero problem with this at all. Our time up there is much more valuable. lets spend it getting things we want, and schedule more saturday farming runs or something. There are always at least 6 people that can farm diorites and waters, and/or any triggers people may request.

[Ikonic]

Feb 18, 2009 18:10:09 GMT -6 Mnementh said:

Drops go uncontested because many people probably either don't know someone already has an item, or we are fighting gods and wasting time getting pops for gods that drop things we don't want.

Drops go uncontested because no one wants them. I've partly scheduled gods that we have pop sets for because we have them and partly so we can get a little variety in the mobs we fight. However, you do make a good point that we are wasting time fighting mobs that drop stuff that no one wants. With our limited events it would make more sense to only do those events that actually have items people want.

Feb 18, 2009 18:10:09 GMT -6 Mnementh said:

I know it is all nice and peachy to go up in sky and not farm diorites for hours, but many shells schedule farming runs to get the pops they want.

Diorite or water farming does get boring, but at least we get decent xp from it. As for scheduling farming time I think I may have to start doing that. When we first started people would go farm at random on their own, but now it seems we only farm when I schedule it. I think part of it back then was people were psyched about getting pop sets for gods since it was something new.

Feb 18, 2009 18:10:09 GMT -6 Mnementh said:

If people want drops from Byakko and Kirin, lets sell triggers for the easier gods and start buying byakko pops. When we exhaust our supply of kirin pops, we could do the same thing by buying kirin popsets.

The treasury has enough gil that we could buy a few pop sets. Currently we have 2 Byakko pop sets. I've been checking the black market and Gems of the West have been going for 380-500k; Autumnstones have been going for 500-800k. I already have them on my main and mule so can't buy, but if someone finds Gems for <400k and Autumns for less than 500k I'm cool with buying them and the LS will reimburse.

Feb 18, 2009 18:10:09 GMT -6 Mnementh said:

If this is the current state of the issue, we need to focus our energy in sky, and stop fighting gods that people don't really want drops for. Let people request the gods if they want the items.

Currently from what I've heard people only want drops from Genbu, Byakko, and Kirin. There is currentlythe request post, but almost no one uses it. I'll make another post specifically asking what drops people want from sky gods so we can start narrowing our focus to only those.

[Fnord]

if we drop byakko twice we will have 3 kirin pops. we have so many suzaku and seiryu seals its no wonder that many drops went un-contested.
I bet there is a least 2-3 people wanting Zmitts and byakko pants easy, not to mention the kirin drops of Nbody and Wlegs, kirins osode is kind of dated gear so I wouldn't judge based on that alone. If we focus on gembu and byakko to match the other seals we already have; that would be 6 kirin pops. thats a lot of kirin o.O

I'm all for more farming runs if thats what is needed, but we haven't had a scheduled farming trip in a long time it seems. Valentines day doesn't count in that. I would be all for a sky merit party killing Aura stats. A lot more people have sky access then sea. And we have been dieing a lot in sea lately. I'm not saying stop sea stuff, but i would rather farm sky then bang my head against the wall in sea for hours with 6-7 other people doing the same and have nothing to show for it at nights end.

I guess it depends mostly on the shells willing-ness to be involved with sky and/or sea at all. only 7 people have posted in this thread, and thats not enough to kill any god, or even base what events we should be doing the most of. We need 18 people wanting and willing to put out the effort to farm and kill gods, so that everyone can reap the rewards. Having the same 7 people saying the same thing every month or so seems to be what I'm witnessing at least. and all that time the all the same items are wanted byakko, kirin, and gembu.

Again that is just how I'm seeing things, which may be true or false. Just some perspective I guess. But to say you have been limiting sky runs because no one is willing to farm seems odd. your limiting sky runs, so or course people aren't going to be going all crazy in sky farming, you stopped scheduling farming runs for them to do so. If we got pops lets use them. If we need pops lets get some sky farming time on the books and get her done. If no one wants anything then we are just playing with our selfs. Mental masturbation, and although thats also fun I want a happy ending!

[Schwilly]

Last night somebody was talking about if anyone needed "Divine Might." I would like to switch my earring and get a suppa and I know a few people need it done the first time around. Please post if you need and/or able to help.

[Zarris]

I like the fact that we do a bit of everything. Being patient, I know chances are I will come across what I want eventually. The variety is nice, but I do think there are a few points on which we may like to focus.

Shen, Gration, Uggy, etc... These are nice to set up once every couple months. Allows for everyone new or with a change of interest a shot at them without cluttering them up and taking space.

ZNMs- Personally i really like these, one of my favorite newer events. Grated, they always seem to fall on bad time for me, but I would like to see one or two runs a month, and eventually get us up to Tier 4s one day.

Sea- Lots off good stuff in Sea. Personally the things I want are higher up the chain, so we need more manpower to start working our way up. (Wouldn't mind a Justice Sword or a Love Torque... >.>)

Sky- I like Sky, and I think alot of people want stuff from Sky. But has been stated, we have been focusing on the easier section of pops. Doing so much Seiryu and Suzaku we are a little top heavy in their drops. We have people wanting some Genbu, and always wanting Byakko and Kirin. I think we should should even out on Kirin pops, then whittle those down a bit. Now, I am not saying we should stop altogether on the other gods. As we get in new members and again changes in interest we will want to go after them again someday, and it doesnt make sense not to take the chance to grab pops for them if we pass by the NMs. But we should focus more on Genbu and Byakko for a while. Then when we have a nice balance of pops, Whittle through a large chunk of Kirin (If we have 6 pop sets, lets set 2 consecutive weekends to work on them). And aye, may be time to use a bit of the treasury to get us some needed pops (though i wouldn't burn it all on them).


Anyway, as for myself. I am after Byakko Hadiate right now, they are a priority for me. After i get those I may loosen up a bit on point saving to venture after some other stuff.

[Mnementh]

Wow, first of all, reading through the post I made yesterday, it sounds a little harsh, which wasn't my intent. I think I was just trying to get a lot of post out in a small time before logging on for limbus.

I was more making suggestions and offering opinion on the situation, because I didn't know the situation in sky. I was surprised to know a lot of weren't wanting the drops we were after.

Now that I have slightly more time let me elaborate more on the first part of my post. I have to admit that there were drops from gods that I have received and wanted, but didn't mention because I (like Zarris) maintained patience and eventually obtained them. I think if people are aware that we won't be doing specific pops without notice that it may make people speak up more and focus us.

The things I see people may recurringly request from Suzy, Seiryu would be NFeet, MHead, and DHead, and maybe the shinra pieces.

[Jubano]

Feb 18, 2009 10:56:23 GMT -6 Schwilly said:

"Storms of Fate" is the 18 man one that I along with Toe would be interested in doing. Says it's up to 18 people ad get to fight Bahamut....all right! Probably look to plan something once we get a bit closer.

I am stuck on "Storms of Fate" as well ... I am 100% in for this when you all get to it ... just put it on the schedule and I will be there!!!


To Ikon: I am actually am desiring a lot of stuff from sky now that my ninja is close to 75 ... and I wouldn't mind getting some more zenith gear for my SMN75 and BLM75 ... I will do my best to show up for sky events if they are planned.

[Jubano]

Can I make a suggestion? I understand that the top 10 people in the LS work their ass off and spend a lot of time doing LS events and that is great that they have the time to do that. However, a lot of us do not have the same time as others. I am not sure if this is addressed in the LS but it seems as though someone that works hard over a long period of time to get 100 points that want's some item is shut out by someone that has 1000 points because they spend every waking minute playing the game.

Now that being said, I know there are lots outside the top 10 LS members that still get stuff now and again ( e.g. I got my O-hat with LS help ) but I am just trying to make sure that we aren't forgotten about because it seems unfair just to let the top 10 pick what the LS does all the time since not all of us can build up such huge points and what not.

I am not speaking specifically for myself and there are lots of great people in the LS that I would love to help get items (especially in the top 10) and I have no problem helping them get items ... but I would like to get a little love every now and then as well.

hopefully that didn't come off too rant'y because I am not upset or anything ... more just want to make sure someone is aware of my concern.

[Hungai]

Well, I don't think you need to worry about that. In the end, its Ik that decides what events we do, not the top 10. No one is ever over looked. If the top 10 really decided what events we do, you can bet your ass they'd have us doing nothing but Kirin until every one of them had Wlegs.

On a side note. The top 10 have the most points, not because they spend every waking minute of the day playing. They have the most points, because most of them have been saving points for certain items since HANMLS has started about 2 years ago. Also, events are planned around times that were voted on by the LS members. This was to insure that the majority of the LS would be able to participate in events.

[Mnementh]

I'd just like a shot at JoFort torque, and to use my Achamoth/Armed Gears pops.

As for Jub's comments; you have a good point Jub. The basic idea behind "top 10 help decide events" is so that hopefully those people spend their points, get what they want, and fall down the list. Others replace them, get what they want, fall down the list; etc. Additionally:

There is a core group of people who have been doing this for a long time (myself included) who have just amassed a ton of points attending a ton of events. If those people don't really care what we do and don't post, then we do whatever. Ideally, I want more people to get what they want out of these events.

You don't have to personally want something to want an event to run. I want Byakko's to run, even though I have what I want from them; not only because people did that for me, but also because they drop an item everyone wants, that can improve the performance of our shell via improving the effectiveness of its members, and how effectively we fight things.

I want everyone to get something out of these events. The nature of the event is just that it takes some waiting. Ice, Fnord, Apro (and others) have been waiting a really long time for W Legs to start dropping. Zarris (and pretty much everyone who can equip them) wants haidates to start dropping. That doesn't mean we do 4 Kirin runs and 4 Byakko runs a month; It does mean they should get a shot as often as is possible, etc.

I think Ikonic has done a good job of scheduling a variety of events. I can assure you that your requests are considered as much as mine or anyone else's. Everyone who wants something should be vocal, so that their opinions and desires can be considered to make the event more fun and rewarding for all.

[Jubano]

I agree, Ikonic has done a spectacular job organizing this LS and in fact I think I have rarely seen anyone do it better (if at all). (insert ass-kissing jokes here)

Now then, I have given this more thought and wanted to add to my suggestion ...

How about having another type of "point" system in addition to the current point system we have. It would be used for "event votes" and it would be a much smaller number then the main point system. Basically, it could be something like for every month you are active in the LS you earn an "event vote" point and you get to vote on events with these points ... if you REALLY want some event to happen you can vote more then 1 of your points if you have them. If you lose the event vote you keep your points but the winner of the event vote has to spend them in order to have the event happen...

Any thoughts? comments? I really like this idea because it makes me feel that if I am active with the LS then I am getting some say in things and its not just the people who are killing things all the time with the LS and earning mass kill points.

[Ikonic]

Mar 24, 2009 12:51:25 GMT -6 Jubano said:

it seems as though someone that works hard over a long period of time to get 100 points that want's some item is shut out by someone that has 1000 points because they spend every waking minute playing the game.

Items are lotted based on points. Those who spend the time and have the points have earned the right to lot over others. Just because you cannot make every event does not mean that those who can should be penalized because they can. You may not get items as fast as you want, but we go by a points system and it's been designed to be as fair as it can be.

Mar 24, 2009 12:51:25 GMT -6 Jubano said:

Now that being said, I know there are lots outside the top 10 LS members that still get stuff now and again ( e.g. I got my O-hat with LS help ) but I am just trying to make sure that we aren't forgotten about because it seems unfair just to let the top 10 pick what the LS does all the time since not all of us can build up such huge points and what not.

It's totally fair to let those who have the most points decide or at least have priority for events they want. They've put in the time, they deserve the rewards.

I've never forgotten people just because they aren't in the top for points, but considering the people who are in the top show up to most of the events I can't ignore them. Without membership we'd have no events.

Considering the events I do it's rather short-sighted to think that would forget about the people who can't/don't show up all the time or have the most points. There's been several events that have been scheduled specifically for people because they need it, even if they have less than 20 points.

Mar 25, 2009 11:35:47 GMT -6 Jubano said:

How about having another type of "point" system in addition to the current point system we have. It would be used for "event votes" and it would be a much smaller number then the main point system.

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I really like this idea because it makes me feel that if I am active with the LS then I am getting some say in things and its not just the people who are killing things all the time with the LS and earning mass kill points.

Not going to happen. Events are chosen by me, but I take suggestions. If enough people want an event we do it. Certain events are chosen based on the experience. Others are chosen for drops or for benefits to the LS.

If you want a say you have to be active, helpful, and reliable. This means showing to scheduled events, showing to events on time, coming prepared, and following instructions. You don't have to make every event to get a say, but the more events you show to and help others with the more value your say will have.

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I've tried to keep at least 1 Beastmen Raid and 1 ZNM run a month, often 2 if the schedule allows. Has anyone specifically requested these? Yea, some have requested ZNMs, but ultimately these started because I wanted to do something new and because there was gear that I and others wanted. These are 2 of our most popular events now.

Here's a few events that we've done not because people in the top 10 wanted them, but because we had several people wanting to do them:
- O-Hat
- Uggy Pendant
- Divine Might
- Bomb Queen
- Alastor Antlion (Rostrum Pumps)
- Bugbear Matman (Rutter Sabatons)
- Shen (Reverend Mail)
- Swift Belt
- Storms of Fate