Should dynamis have job/quality requirements?

[Ikonic]

Should dynamis have specific requirements (not be a completely open event, like it is now)?

These requirements could be something like specific jobs or parsing a certain % as a DD.

Feel free to discuss possible requirements or lack thereof AFTER voting.

[creaper]

The only reason I was pearled was because you all needed a corsair. Yan just happened to know one. ADL NEEDS specific job setups for success. Well geared DD is important. Specially geared mages or bards for those buffs make life easier against ADL. Summoners need Alexander and high summon skill to be of use in the fight. Corsairs... Simply need to be at the highest level to give a buff without a penalty. Gear there helps the chances of a better buff or
reset. I'm sure everyone knows what they are doing. That is great, but I am all for a specific job requirement. Otherwise, we will continue to be in this little slump.

I'd leave dynamis runs if I wasn't contributing as wanted. I'd only ask for one last month to finish a relic. I'd prefer to stay, of course.

[jerseymarine]

I have to say that I do believe in the job/quality requirements. I will use last nights run as an example. I am by no way trying to say im the best because i know im not, BUT i always parse 1st or 2nd on the NM's we do unless Ayrea is there then im in the top 3 always. I have ZERO problem going to ADL as Smn if thats what is needed. I do however thinks its insane that one of the top dmg output DD"s has to do that for lack of Smn's or ppl not willing to do it.

Dynamis is by far our biggest money maker with the potential to make ppl who attend a large amount of gil. The last few weeks we have been screwed because of a lack of high dmg DD's, Smn's with Alex and Sch's. If this doesnt change soon Dynamis will just be for farming pops and then not being able to use them all because of a lack of jobs that are needed for a successful win.

I will be leveling Cor on my mule to bring in to be able to try for a reset when doing ADL.

[Ikonic]

Another thing about having required jobs and people willing to come them is it'll make calling jobs and entering much easier. No longer would we have to wait around on the chance that someone with a needed job would decide to log on.

[kiriyak]

My thing is, and u can put me in the "not properly geared" category, is that last night wasn't lack of jobs, we must have forgotten that there was a LS on top of us that clearly had something to spawn ADL before us, now I know being new the LS and have been coming to every run that I can attend, I have yet to fuck any run up, yes I lack the tools for MNK but that doesn't take away from my knowledge about gameplay, also to add on to last night and repeating myself as I did during the run, roll call was not called till 21mins after we are suppose to be in dynamis @6cst that being 7est for myself and others, if roll call was called 15 mins before actual start time 5:45/6:45 we would have 15 mins to be geared and sorted into parties and be In dyna at the correct time, 6cst/7est, also to add onto my case I have yet to be asked if I have other jobs other than MNK or NIN, MNK is my main I'm 44 fangs away from 85 h2h emp, also doing Neo is tough for me to go with LS but I do try and get home on time, if would like to continue this with me personally u can send me a personal message, and or in game /tell Kiriyak, I really hope I can continue going to runs with the LS to dyna and on off days from LS events and or work I will continue fang farming and trying to do Neo ny, thanks for hearing me out, and as I said please contact me if u would to discuss more with me personally please do so

[katas]

I too will auto place myself into the realistic catagory of being average or gimp. Being proactive on ungimping myself on my available jobs is my main concern at the moment. With that being said I find it ironic that those who whispered into sack holder ears about making these types of rules never come to the runs. I understand the standpoint of showing up with a job that might not be efficient however at least those show up. However during one of the discussions on shell the rational explanation of why they do not show up lacks logic. From what I have heard there was some trouble at the beginning of January prior to my on-boarding to the shell. Seemingly those people stopped coming to the events due to failures while new people have come into shell yet the main flag raised is the new people and to be blunt the gimpness of them. Lets go in order of things, people stopped going due to failed runs prior to the gimps that attend. Yet while the new gimps, ie myself and others, started to attend I remember doing ADL and doing really well with what we had available toward the end of the month. Let us also keep in mind how late the runs now are with Dynamis which do not start at the designated times and how upset some LS sacks are at that fact. I know I am the new guy and not a top DD at the moment but these are just things that I find to be bold within LS chat yet no one has said anything.

As for last nights run we were low on SCH or SMN yes however was able to kill ADL under pressure. Lets also keep in mind the run wasnt a failure based on the lack of jobs but more so for starting so late. How so you ask, because we wouldnt have had Rare up our ass at that time and would have potentially had time prior to Ejins group being their for his pops to kill ADL.

Aside from that no matter the outcome of this vote I will continue working on my jobs and or leveling new ones if required (though the game is not a job to me). However lets be realistic with the actual faults with recent events and lack of attendance as it is not just dynamis.

[cowardlybabooon]

For the record I like coming SCH! I've just been really busy on weekends lately. Sadly, that may be the case for me until March, but I will do my best to make at least minimum attendance this month. Actually though, if we are short DDs my MNK is very well geared and has been in the DD party before in the "winning days" Not trying to be competitive with any other MNKs, but I've got my 90 Verethranga, full Thaumas, and full AF3+2 as well as most of the accessories and a solid spellcast. I also quit drinking (while supplies last) so I will WS on time and embrava/invite when asked!

[Ikonic]

Dynamis start time has always been the time we do roll call and call jobs. The plan has always been to be in zone by 15 minutes after start time.

You've been asked a few times if you have other jobs. With any new player I ask jobs a few times before I stop asking. If you've been told to come your best DD and it turns out to not be very good I don't bother asking what other jobs because you've already stated that it's your best.

Rare has always been a bunch of dicks. It's useless to try to work anything out with them so we enter and hope they aren't around. Ejiin's group usually is still doing ADL 15-20 minutes after we get to zone and enter (especially if we're quick). This is one reason we usually try to do at least some farming before heading to ADL.

I agree about the whisperers. I've never cared for people who split from events or the LS without having the decency to say anything about it. And while some people who aren't coming currently have mentioned requirements many more who do come to almost every run have made comment about having requirements so we aren't just making less gil for more people who can't contribute well.

We have had a few runs that went rather well even with less than desired DD. While these runs did work the fact remains that the better DD have to cover even more of the slack and/or we have to spread buffs further to make these runs work. If we had better jobs/players all around it would give us much more leeway and make those chancy fights much less so.

Last night's run started so late partly because of lack of jobs and partly because I didn't start roll call on time. Had we the jobs avail at roll call we could have entered much quicker and we would have had a chance to do several pops before Rare showed up.

People are getting tired of the game and same events time and again. It doesn't help that dynamis is one of the least favorite events for a lot of people, but they do it because it currently has one of the best payouts. Personally I'm tired of the game and now mostly only log on for events and to fish. People make comment that I should run more events because I'm good at it, but I'm tired of running events. There's no reason others can't run the events. While they may not be as good at it as I, run events enough and eventually you'll get good at it.

[Mazura]

Last night would have been lack of jobs had Rare not been there, and that goes right back to the point that we started so late because DDs had to change to jobs they dont often play, like Endtanis to COR, and Jerseymarine to SMN. We waited even longer because Scratchbiskutz had just made it home after work and we needed more SMN. If we didn't lack those jobs to begin with, DDs would have been able to stay DD and SMNs would be ready to go. Even with what we had last night, we would've only been able to do 2 pops without a reset, if even that because we only had one SCH. We would have been lucky to make the second pop before embrava wore. Depending on COR for reset does not always work out in our favor.

Point is, if we had the jobs we need, we would've avoided Rare and killed probably 6 ADL at least. That's how it used to be and the only way we're going to keep payouts like they used to be is by ensuring that we have those jobs. Whether that means recruiting specific people that have jobs we need for ADL or by having current members with jobs that aren't the greatest for ADL level something appropriate.

As for "people whispering into sack holders ears," I had brought this issue up quite a while ago with Ikonic. I'm assuming the people you are referring to are Myryllion and Tygerlilly who used to come to every ADL run and stopped recently. They only said they would come back if the requirements were put in place after I brought it up in LS chat. They definitely weren't the first to bring it up, even to me. Quite a few long time members of the group feel the same way. I'm also pretty sure that wasn't the first discussion that has happened in LS chat over the topic.

Also, when we talk about needing requirements this isn't just because of the most recent round of additions to the ADL group, it's partly because of the last group of "new" people that began attending, most of which are no longer with us. We don't want to do this because of any one specific person, it's due to the large amount of new people in the last two months or so, some even before that, who have attended without having the ability to contribute effectively or at all.

None of that stuff matters at all, anyway. More than enough people were concerned to at least make a vote happen, and we'll see the results soon enough. In my opinion, any high paying event like ADL needs to have requirements for the benefit of everyone who attends. It will not ever work if some people are pulling the weight for others, due to not having properly geared jobs or the jobs themselves. Just like you wouldn't hire a plumber to fly a plane, some jobs just do not fit the needs for ADL. This is a big money event, it needs to be looked at like you're hiring people to get a specific job done.

[kiriyak]

But don't you kinda find it a bit rediculous that, people are throwing a hissy fit saying I'm not coming unless there are rules, it's almost like they are holding the LS hostage, if you don't make requirements I'm not gunna come stomp my feet and throw a hissy feet because new "lesser geared" people are taking my cut, I mean what happens if you guys do make requirements, and could bring dyna attendance down 2-5 people depending on how steep you go with new policy, your still ultimately In the hole with attendance, fact of the matter is besides that, shit needs to start happening on time, roll call at desired time 6/7pm and then In no matter what 6:15/7:15pm people work 8,9,10,11,12+ hr days LS members that fly home from work or even play from work don't want to start over an hour late every run, been to 5 runs I believe and not one has even start remotely close on time and working 8+ hr days and then sitting slam pigging my ass waiting for dyna to start I'm over here jacking off to stay awake, I'm jus asking to start on time you know lol I mean it's not hard at all, and if the numbers or jobs don't come out to ADL potential well everyone can hike there pants up to go farming

Other than that I mean I don't know, I'm gunna keep coming until I'm told no more, but until then or after that I'm gunna keep plugging away at what I need to do for MNK, if properly geared/ bored people wanna help it would not only benefit myself but would help the LS as well so I won't be apart of this problem, if I'm even apart of it

[Ikonic]

Requirements may increase our attendance. Think of it this way: with requirements we'd have more people putting in extra effort to make the runs successful. Doing so would make everyone more gil and would probably increase attendance by word of mouth.

I know there's quite a few people who are tired of DD not all being equal or even close. I'm one of them. It sucks when I do 25% of the dmg out of 6-8 DD yet get the same cut as someone who only does 3% of the dmg. I know not all DD jobs are equal, but if we at least made more of an effort the range of percents would be less.

As for the starting on time that is a big issue and my apathy for the game has made it much worse. This is why starting Sunday I'm hoping to make start times a lot more static and plan to make entrance about 5-10 minutes after jobs are called.

[katas]

I will give you and other DD the benefit that you are geared toward the max. Though the parses numerous variables come into play when the lesser DD have less buffs so not truly accurate but that is just a point and not me arguing. Also not saying I would come close to your 25% but I am sure my shitty percentage would be higher with embrava ect. I have stepped to the plate and cover a useful job (SMN) though know little on it and even less geared but will be fixed ideally in the next two runs to allow for others to come their top jobs. This also allows the two jobs I enjoy to get suited in the same time to peoples expected levels while still getting paid to afford the new gear ect. I hope this is of some assistance.

[jerseymarine]

This is to Katas.

Let me know your Fav job and i will help you gear it when not doing my Apoc trials and or events.

[kiriyak]

As with katas, I too have geared my WHM to the best I could at this point, I also have BRD though it has no GHorn I do have 2 backline jobs that I can come while jus like katas his gearing his MNK along with my mnk

[jerseymarine]

kiriyak..

My last message to Katas now also includes you.

You both get to pick 2 jobs. One for LS gain and one for personal gain, and when i am free i will help you gear them.